Legislature(2011 - 2012)CAPITOL 120

03/27/2012 01:00 PM House MILITARY & VETERANS' AFFAIRS


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Moved Out of Committee
+ SJR 14 MILITARY PERSONNEL CUTS & BASE CLOSURES TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
   HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON MILITARY AND VETERANS' AFFAIRS                                                                  
                         March 27, 2012                                                                                         
                           1:05 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Dan Saddler, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Steve Thompson, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Alan Austerman                                                                                                   
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
Representative Bob Miller                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carl Gatto, Vice Chair                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 366                                                                                                              
"An Act establishing  an Alaska intrastate mutual  aid system and                                                               
relating  to  the  duties  of the  Alaska  division  of  homeland                                                               
security and  emergency management and  the duties of  the Alaska                                                               
State Emergency Response Commission."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED HB 366 OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 14(STA)                                                                                      
Urging the United States Department of Defense to protect                                                                       
military bases and military personnel in the state for the                                                                      
defense and protection of the state and the nation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     - MOVED CSSJR 14(STA) OUT OF COMMITTEE                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 366                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: DISASTER PLANNING AND SERVICES                                                                                     
SPONSOR(s): COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
03/15/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
03/15/12       (H)       MLV, CRA                                                                                               
03/27/12       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
BILL: SJR 14                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: MILITARY PERSONNEL CUTS & BASE CLOSURES                                                                            
SPONSOR(s): WIELECHOWSKI                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
02/01/12       (S)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/01/12       (S)       STA                                                                                                    
02/07/12       (S)       STA AT 9:00 AM BUTROVICH 205                                                                           
02/07/12       (S)       Moved CSSJR 14(STA) Out of Committee                                                                   
02/07/12       (S)       MINUTE(STA)                                                                                            
02/08/12       (S)       STA RPT CS 5DP    NEW TITLE                                                                            
02/08/12       (S)       DP: WIELECHOWSKI, KOOKESH, PASKVAN,                                                                    
                         MEYER, GIESSEL                                                                                         
02/08/12       (S)       TRANSMITTED TO (H)                                                                                     
02/08/12       (S)       VERSION: CSSJR 14(STA)                                                                                 
02/10/12       (H)       READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRALS                                                                        
02/10/12       (H)       MLV                                                                                                    
03/27/12       (H)       MLV AT 1:00 PM CAPITOL 120                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ERIC FEIGE                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  On behalf of the House Community and                                                                     
Regional Affairs Standing Committee, introduced HB 366.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PASCHALL, Staff                                                                                                         
Representative Eric Feige                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  On behalf of Representative Eric Feige,                                                                  
presented the sectional analysis for HB 366.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN FISHER, Chief of Operations                                                                                               
Division of Homeland Security/Emergency Management (DHS&EM)                                                                     
Department of Military & Veterans' Affairs (DMVA)                                                                               
Fort Richardson, Alaska                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 366, and                                                                      
answered questions.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD ETHERIDGE, Fire Chief                                                                                                   
Capital City Fire/Rescue; 2nd Vice President                                                                                    
Alaska Fire Chiefs Association                                                                                                  
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 366.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
KATHIE WASSERMAN, Executive Director                                                                                            
Alaska Municipal League                                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 366.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MIKE O'HARE, Deputy Director                                                                                                    
Division of Homeland Security/Emergency Management (DHS&EM)                                                                     
Department of Military & Veterans' Affairs (DMVA)                                                                               
Fort Richardson, Alaska                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 366.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS BRODIGAN, Director                                                                                                       
Emergency Services                                                                                                              
Matanuska-Susitna Borough                                                                                                       
Palmer, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 366.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JIM BUTLER, Attorney                                                                                                            
Kenai, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 366.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DAVID GIBBS, Director                                                                                                           
Emergency Operations                                                                                                            
Fairbanks North Star Borough                                                                                                    
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 366.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JEFF TUCKER, Fire Chief                                                                                                         
North Star Volunteer Fire Department                                                                                            
North Pole, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 366.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DOUG SCHRAGE, Representative                                                                                                    
Intrastate Mutual Aid System (IMAS) Committee                                                                                   
International Association of Fire Chiefs                                                                                        
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 366.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR BILL WIELECHOWSKI                                                                                                       
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Speaking as the sponsor, introduced                                                                    
CSSJR14(STA).                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MCHUGH PIERRE, Deputy Commissioner                                                                                              
Office of the Commissioner/Adjutant General                                                                                     
Department of Military & Veterans' Affairs (DMVA)                                                                               
Fort Richardson, Alaska                                                                                                         
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SJR 14.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
LUKE HOPKINS, Mayor                                                                                                             
Fairbanks North Star Borough (FNSB)                                                                                             
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of SJR 14.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:05:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  STEVE THOMPSON  called the  House Special  Committee on                                                             
Military  and Veterans'  Affairs meeting  to order  at 1:05  p.m.                                                               
Representatives  Thompson,  Austerman,   Miller,  and  Lynn  were                                                               
present  at  the  call  to order.    Representatives  Cissna  and                                                               
Saddler arrived as the meeting was in progress.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
             HB 366-DISASTER PLANNING AND SERVICES                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:06:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMPSON announced  that  the first  order of  business                                                               
would  be HOUSE  BILL NO.  366,  "An Act  establishing an  Alaska                                                               
intrastate mutual  aid system and  relating to the duties  of the                                                               
Alaska  division of  homeland security  and emergency  management                                                               
and   the  duties   of  the   Alaska  State   Emergency  Response                                                               
Commission."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:07:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ERIC FEIGE,  Alaska  State Legislature,  informed                                                               
the committee HB  366 is a committee bill from  the Community and                                                               
Regional  Affairs Standing  Committee.   He said  members of  his                                                               
staff  are  experts  regarding emergency  services  and  incident                                                               
command.    Representative  Feige   advised  that  the  bill  was                                                               
requested by the state emergency  services community and, because                                                               
of  the  expertise of  his  staff  in  this  regard, he  will  be                                                               
carrying the bill.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:08:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL PASCHALL, Staff, Representative  Eric Feige, Alaska State                                                               
Legislature, disclosed  he is:   an assistant  chief and  a board                                                               
member of  a fire  department that may  fall under  the agreement                                                               
established  by the  bill; the  chair of  the Delta  Greely Local                                                               
Emergency Planning  Committee, which may be  asked to participate                                                               
in planning activities under the  aforementioned agreement; and a                                                               
member  of the  Alaska Statewide  Communications Interoperability                                                               
Plan committee,  which falls under  the State  Emergency Response                                                               
Commission  (SERC), Division  of  Homeland  Security &  Emergency                                                               
Management, Department  of Military  & Veterans'  Affairs (DMVA).                                                               
He  then disclosed  that  Representative Feige  is  the chief  of                                                               
Chickaloon Fire  Service, Inc.   Mr. Paschall read  the following                                                               
statement [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     According to  the Federal Emergency  Management Agency:                                                                    
     "Mutual  aid agreements  and assistance  agreements are                                                                    
     agreements   between   agencies,   organizations,   and                                                                    
     jurisdictions  that  provide  a  mechanism  to  quickly                                                                    
     obtain emergency  assistance in the form  of personnel,                                                                    
     equipment,  materials, and  other associated  services.                                                                    
     The primary  objective is  to facilitate  rapid, short-                                                                    
     term deployment of emergency  support prior to, during,                                                                    
     and after an incident."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Through  the  EMAC   (Emergency  Management  Assistance                                                                    
     Compact),  all 50  states,  the  District of  Columbia,                                                                    
     Puerto  Rico, Guam,  and the  U.S.  Virgin Islands  all                                                                    
     have agreed  and established guidelines to  provide aid                                                                    
     across state [borders].                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Across  Alaska, local  organizations  adjacent to  each                                                                    
     other sometimes  have agreements to  provide assistance                                                                    
     in the  event of  an emergency,  often within  the same                                                                    
     political  subdivision.    When an  incident  commander                                                                    
     needs  additional  resources,  such  as  an  additional                                                                    
     ambulance, established procedures work  to make the aid                                                                    
     available.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Unlike  the  EMAC  that allows  response  across  state                                                                    
     [borders],   and   local    agreements   that   provide                                                                    
     assistance  for  isolated  incidents -  Alaska  has  no                                                                    
     unified  agreement  in  place  allowing  one  political                                                                    
     subdivision to assist another.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Although  assistance  can  be   obtained,  all  of  the                                                                    
     details  concerning  cost,  responsibility,  liability,                                                                    
     and other  items have to  be negotiated on  a situation                                                                    
     by situation basis.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     When  an  event occurs,  people  work  to continue  the                                                                    
     operation or the reestablishment  of services.  Time is                                                                    
     not available  to negotiate  items such  as:   Who will                                                                    
     pay  the transportation  costs  to the  area.   Who  is                                                                    
     responsible for  maintenance of  the equipment  that is                                                                    
     involved?   Who  can terminate  an employee,  and other                                                                    
     such items.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     House Bill 366 and its  companion in the other body, SB
     208, will put in place  a tool that will make assisting                                                                    
     those  in need  easier for  us  here in  Alaska.   This                                                                    
     process is  not just  about typical  emergency services                                                                    
     such as  fire, police, and emergency  medical services.                                                                    
     It  also  includes  everything  from  water  and  sewer                                                                    
     treatment facilities,  electric and other  utilities, ,                                                                    
     fuel delivery,  all services  individuals expect  to be                                                                    
     available  to   them  before,   during  and   after  an                                                                    
     emergency.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     The National  Emergency Management  Association (NEMA),                                                                    
     the  Federal Emergency  Management  Agency (FEMA),  and                                                                    
     interested   response  organizations   developed  model                                                                    
     legislation  for an  intrastate mutual  aid system.   A                                                                    
     copy of the model legislation was provided to you.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  bill you  have before  you is  an adoption  of the                                                                    
     model legislation.   It was  developed by  the Division                                                                    
     of Homeland  Security and Emergency Management  here is                                                                    
     Alaska  in   conjunction  with   several  organizations                                                                    
     including  the Alaska  Fire Chiefs  Association, Alaska                                                                    
     Municipal   League,  and   the  Fairbanks   North  Star                                                                    
     Borough.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Section  1  of  this  bill  requires  the  Division  of                                                                    
     Homeland Security  and Emergency Management to  play an                                                                    
     integral  role  in   developing  and  implementing  the                                                                    
     Intrastate Mutual Aid System established by this bill.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Section  2  requires  the division  to  coordinate  the                                                                    
     operation of the agreement or IMAS.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Section  3  addresses   the  State  Emergency  Response                                                                    
     Commission   and  requires   the  commission   to  make                                                                    
     recommendations  about   IMAS  and   adopt  regulations                                                                    
     necessary to carry out the agreement.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4  requires the commission  to review  and make                                                                    
     recommendations about the mutual aid system.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Section  5 establishes  the mutual  aid system  between                                                                    
     participating  political subdivisions.   Provides  that                                                                    
     every political  subdivision is a  participating member                                                                    
     unless  the  subdivision   withdraws.    Provides  what                                                                    
     assistance   a  political   subdivision  may   request.                                                                    
     Addresses   qualifications  and   employment  of,   and                                                                    
     workers'   compensation   for,  emergency   responders.                                                                    
     Establishes  reimbursement  procedure,  tort  liability                                                                    
     for  participating  political subdivisions.    Provides                                                                    
     definitions for the  provisions establishing the mutual                                                                    
     aid system.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:13:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL,  in response to Representative  Austerman, said the                                                               
State  Emergency Response  Commission  (SERC)  is an  established                                                               
commission  that consists  of  several department  commissioners,                                                               
representatives of  local governments, urban and  rural emergency                                                               
planning agencies, and federal non-voting members.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN surmised  the Alaska  intrastate mutual                                                               
aid system would be established through the commission.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL  explained the system  would be  established through                                                               
the division  and the  commission.  Both  the commission  and the                                                               
division  have certain  duties outlined  in statute  for existing                                                               
activities,  and  for  activities   that  would  fall  under  the                                                               
intrastate agreement.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN asked whether  the mutual aid system has                                                               
staff  that  "coordinates  any  kind of  a  disaster  that  comes                                                               
along."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL said that depends on  the activity.  The state would                                                               
coordinate activities  at the state  level through  its emergency                                                               
response center during a state  disaster.  For a locally-declared                                                               
disaster, "it  would be between the  two political subdivisions."                                                               
It would  also depend on the  scale of the emergency.   Equipment                                                               
and skilled workers  are maintained at all levels  - within local                                                               
and  state government  -  so the  division  has much  information                                                               
available;  however, the  agreement would  establish that  if one                                                               
needed  a  particular  asset,  does  one  contact  a  neighboring                                                               
community or does one contact the state.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN observed  the fiscal  note is  zero, so                                                               
there is  no cost  associated with  implementing this  mutual aid                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCHALL confirmed  that  much of  the  information for  the                                                               
system  is in  place; in  fact, the  cost that  occurs is  in the                                                               
event of a  disaster, and language in the bill  provides for what                                                               
costs are paid by the responding  agency, and what costs are paid                                                               
by  the  requesting  agency.   Furthermore,  personnel  from  the                                                               
division  already provide  many of  the services  and information                                                               
addressed by the bill.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN questioned  if  there  is no  agreement                                                               
prior  to a  natural disaster,  who bears  the liability  for the                                                               
costs of the response.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL said that is the  purpose of the bill, so that there                                                               
is    an   agreement    in   place.        Without   the    costs                                                               
"spelled  out" the  different organizations  negotiate throughout                                                               
the state.   For example,  Juneau may send assistance  to another                                                               
community in Southeast, and if an  agreement is not in place, the                                                               
costs must be determined each time.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN  noted the  bill allows  subdivisions to                                                               
"opt  out" of  [withdraw from]  the agreement;  however, if  that                                                               
subdivision then suffers  a disaster, would there  be no response                                                               
because it is not part of the mutual aid system.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PASCHALL  agreed  that  an  entity  that  opts  out  of  the                                                               
agreement may get  no response to its request.   He expressed his                                                               
belief that this scenario is possible and has happened.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:20:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA said  that  she was  in  Tanana after  the                                                               
flood and saw  how vulnerable many Alaskan communities  are.  She                                                               
recalled from previous testimony that  "people get help when they                                                               
need help," and asked what particular event inspired the bill.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL answered  that the need for this  agreement has been                                                               
discussed  for  several  years,   and  testimony  from  emergency                                                               
responders  will  explain the  difficulties  that  they have  had                                                               
providing aid across political subdivisions.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMPSON  recalled that during  the Big Lake  fire, many                                                               
fire departments responded from all around the state.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL added  that wild land fires require  a response from                                                               
federal, state,  local, and tribal  agencies to  provide services                                                               
all over  the country.  The  bill sets the legislation  and terms                                                               
that should be in place for an agreement within the state.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMPSON related an argument  over liability between the                                                               
Fairbanks North Star Borough and the Bureau of Land Management.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MILLER  returned  attention to  the  zero  fiscal                                                               
note.   He asked if  there is a provision  in the bill  that will                                                               
direct  various   state  agencies,  or  departments,   to  locate                                                               
equipment at specific  locations, and if so,  whether there would                                                               
need to be state funding to accomplish that.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:24:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL  said no.   That  process is  already in  place; for                                                               
example, communications  equipment is already  located throughout                                                               
the  state  in  large  and  remote "hubs."    There  is  also  an                                                               
inventory  of  equipment owned  by  individual  agencies that  is                                                               
available for  state use  if needed.    He  stressed that  HB 366                                                               
establishes  the responsibility  for the  equipment that  is made                                                               
available.   The  planning processes  are continuous,  and funded                                                               
through the division.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN  asked for  the definition  of political                                                               
subdivisions.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PASCHALL  explained they  are a  municipality or  a community                                                               
that is  unorganized and has more  than 25 people, and  is unique                                                               
in nature.  Larger areas  are those of recognized municipalities,                                                               
and in  an unorganized borough,  they are  individual communities                                                               
that may or may not be organized.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMPSON opened public testimony.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:27:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN  FISHER,   Chief  of   Operations,  Division   of  Homeland                                                               
Security/Emergency  Management  (DHS&EM),   DMVA,  expressed  his                                                               
support of  the bill  and disclosed  that DHS&EM  participated in                                                               
writing the proposed legislation.   In response to Representative                                                               
Austerman's  question as  to whether  there are  costs associated                                                               
with implementing the  mutual aid system, Mr.  Fisher pointed out                                                               
that implementing the system would  be a part of DHS&EM's day-to-                                                               
day mission,  which is to  coordinate resource support  for local                                                               
jurisdictions  and  political  subdivisions  in the  event  of  a                                                               
disaster.    In addition,  DHS&EM  serves  as the  primary  staff                                                               
support to  SERC, and as part  of its regular job  to support the                                                               
commission, would  participate in  all of the  work needed  to be                                                               
done to  develop policies  and procedures  if the  legislation is                                                               
passed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  AUSTERMAN  restated  his question  regarding  the                                                               
status of subdivisions that opt out of the agreement.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  FISHER explained  opt out  provisions are  included to  give                                                               
some flexibility.  The primary  mission of DHS&EM in an emergency                                                               
is to respond  to all resource requests with  assistance from the                                                               
nearest  location; however,  weather issues  can intercede.   The                                                               
system put  in place by  the bill will  allow a community  to get                                                               
the  assistance that  is closest  to them,  thereby saving  time.                                                               
Mr. Fisher  assured the committee  that if a community  opts out,                                                               
that  does not  prevent it  from requesting  support, and  DHS&EM                                                               
will  respond   to  the   request.     In  further   response  to                                                               
Representative Austerman, he advised  in a statewide emergency, a                                                               
political subdivision  that opted  out of  the mutual  aid system                                                               
would not  be called upon  to be  the first resource  provider to                                                               
respond, because the  issues addressed in the bill,  such as tort                                                               
liability and workmen's compensation,  would not have been agreed                                                               
to.   He said, "We wouldn't  want to put anybody,  expose anybody                                                               
to  risk,  or  put  anybody  in harm's  way  without  some  prior                                                               
planning  and  processes  in  place."   Another  reason  for  not                                                               
calling upon a political subdivision  that opted out is the other                                                               
major issue addressed in the  legislation:   the reimbursement of                                                               
jurisdictions  for  their  response  efforts, or  the  repair  of                                                               
communities after  a disaster is  declared.  However,  Mr. Fisher                                                               
stressed that in life/safety situations,  DHS&EM would respond to                                                               
any community as fast as it can.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:32:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMPSON asked  how important  the  Alaska Land  Mobile                                                               
Radio (ALMR)  system is to communication  between departments and                                                               
agencies when responding.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. FISHER said  communication provided by the ALMR  system is an                                                               
integral part of an effective and coordinated response.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:32:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICHARD  ETHERIDGE, Fire  Chief,  Capital  City Fire/Rescue;  2nd                                                               
Vice President, Alaska Fire Chiefs  Association, stated HB 366 is                                                               
very important  to fire and  rescue organizations.   He described                                                               
the  bill as  a collaborative  partnership between  state, local,                                                               
and  federal   authorities,  which  creates  the   framework  for                                                               
agencies  to  provide and  receive  assistance.   At  this  time,                                                               
DHS&EM is  tasked with  coordinating this  effort statewide.   He                                                               
cautioned that no department in  Alaska has the ability to handle                                                               
a  major disaster  on  its own;  however, the  bill  is a  "force                                                               
multiplier"  that  allows  communities   to  ask  for  help  from                                                               
neighbors.   Mr.  Etheridge acknowledged  that state  law already                                                               
provides for  mutual aid agreements  between departments,  but it                                                               
is unknown which communities will  need assistance.  For example,                                                               
Thorne Bay recently needed assistance  with a hazardous materials                                                               
incident, and  because there  was not a  mutual aid  agreement in                                                               
place,  a lot  of questions  needed to  be answered  first -  the                                                               
proposed bill  would have  put the  framework together  and saved                                                               
time.   He advised  that calls have  increased in  Southeast, and                                                               
the  bill eliminates  much of  the administration  process.   Mr.                                                               
Etheridge described  recent incidents in Southeast,  and said the                                                               
Alaska Fire Chiefs Association and  Capital City Fire/Rescue urge                                                               
the passage of the bill.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:36:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  asked  whether  there  are  international                                                               
emergency relationships with Canada and its territories.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ETHERIDGE advised  there are  some agreements  in place;  in                                                               
fact, agencies  in Juneau  respond to  the mining  communities up                                                               
the Taku  River and  have permission  to cross  the border  in an                                                               
emergency.   In  Haines and  Skagway, the  fire departments  have                                                               
agreements with Whitehorse, Yukon Territory.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:38:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHIE  WASSERMAN, Executive  Director, Alaska  Municipal League,                                                               
on  behalf  of the  Alaska  Municipal  League (AML),  stated  its                                                               
support for  HB 366.  She  disclosed that the Alaska  Fire Chiefs                                                               
Association has a  seat on AML's board.  Ms.  Wasserman said from                                                               
her experience as the former mayor  of a small town, she believes                                                               
this bill  will save up to  one hour of "hesitancy"  - because of                                                               
possible liability  and cost -  before a community responds  to a                                                               
request for assistance.   Although communities do  respond to one                                                               
another, time is critical.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:41:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE O'HARE,  Deputy Director, DMVA,  emphasized the bill  in its                                                               
simplest form establishes agreements  for liability, tort issues,                                                               
and the reimbursement  of costs for small  to medium emergencies.                                                               
Previous testimony  proves that small requests  for equipment and                                                               
personnel are becoming more frequent.   He reiterated that DHS&EM                                                               
supports the legislation  which will enable the  division to work                                                               
with  SERC to  develop  a system  at no  additional  cost to  the                                                               
state.   Regarding  the question  of  whether additional  funding                                                               
would be required  at a later date, he said  there would be none,                                                               
and additional needs of communities  will be addressed by grants,                                                               
or  through capital  improvement  program (CIP)  requests.     In                                                               
response to Representative Cissna,  Mr. O'Hare explained that the                                                               
state  has  an existing  mutual  aid  agreement with  neighboring                                                               
Canadian  territories  called  the  Pacific  Northwest  Emergency                                                               
Management Arrangement.  In closing,  he estimated that more than                                                               
25 other states have enacted similar legislation.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:44:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN understood that  although the bill has a                                                               
zero  fiscal note,  DHS&EM will  look for  federal grants  or CIP                                                               
funds to continue to fund the program.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:45:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  O'HARE  said  no.    He clarified  that  there  will  be  no                                                               
additional  funding  to  put the  intrastate  mutual  aid  system                                                               
together.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:45:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS BRODIGAN, Director,  Emergency Services, Matanuska-Susitna                                                               
Borough,  expressed  his support  of  the  bill  for all  of  the                                                               
reasons offered by the previous testifiers.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:46:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JIM  BUTLER, Attorney,  informed the  committee he  practices law                                                               
for a small firm  in Kenai.   He disclosed he  is a former public                                                               
member of  SERC, but is  not speaking on  its behalf today.   Mr.                                                               
Butler  said his  law  practice primarily  is  involved with  the                                                               
world  of  emergency  and  incident   management  from  local  to                                                               
national levels,  and he  regularly participates  on multi-agency                                                               
hazardous teams and  on corporate incident management  teams.  He                                                               
pointed  out  that  in  the   past  the  legislative  and  agency                                                               
processes  have focused  on planning  for emergencies.   At  this                                                               
point, however, the bill represents  an opportunity to create the                                                               
administrative   mechanisms  that   allow  first   responders  to                                                               
efficiently and effectively respond.   Mr. Butler advised that in                                                               
the aftermath  of an emergency, city  officials, local officials,                                                               
risk    managers,    lawyers,    accountants,    and    insurance                                                               
representatives  enter  into  the  picture -  all  with  distinct                                                               
responsibilities - and  unless there is an  established system in                                                               
place, difficulties  arise.   He opined that  HB 366  creates the                                                               
authority in  the legal mechanism  for municipalities.   Although                                                               
fire protection  authority rests  with the Division  of Forestry,                                                               
Department   of  Natural   Resources,   and  hazardous   material                                                               
authority   rests   with    the   Department   of   Environmental                                                               
Conservation,    this   legislation    addresses   nontraditional                                                               
emergencies such as  floods, ice jams, or an  event that requires                                                               
providing technical  assistance.  He encouraged  the committee to                                                               
advance the bill.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTLER opined  evaluation of the system  at an administration                                                               
level will inform  political subdivisions about how  they want to                                                               
fit into the system.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:50:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  GIBBS,  Director,  Emergency Operations,  Fairbanks  North                                                               
Star Borough (FNSB), spoke in support  of HB 366, adding that the                                                               
FNSB  assembly identified  intrastate mutual  aid legislation  as                                                               
one of  its legislative  priorities in  2010.    He  related that                                                               
FNSB became intimately  involved in the response to  the 2009 ice                                                               
jam flooding  on the  Yukon River  when it  was asked  to provide                                                               
equipment and assistance.   Some of the  requested assistance was                                                               
not  provided  due   to  the  lack  of   an  agreement  regarding                                                               
authorities,  compensation, and  liability.   In fact,  the Yukon                                                               
River flooding  response was a  clear demonstration of  the value                                                               
of  having  procedures  and  agreements in  place  prior  to  the                                                               
occurrence of a disaster.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:52:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF TUCKER,  Fire Chief, North  Star Volunteer  Fire Department,                                                               
stated he  was also  the immediate past  president of  the Alaska                                                               
Fire Chiefs  Association.  He  supported the  previous testimony,                                                               
and  stressed  that HB  366  provides  the framework  upon  which                                                               
agencies  can   build  their  intrastate  mutual   aid  emergency                                                               
response  plan that  is critical  to help  communities throughout                                                               
Alaska.   He  restated  the  support of  the  Alaska Fire  Chiefs                                                               
Association.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:53:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUG  SCHRAGE,  Representative,   Intrastate  Mutual  Aid  System                                                               
(IMAS)  Committee,  International  Association  of  Fire  Chiefs,                                                               
disclosed he holds seats on the  boards of the Alaska Fire Chiefs                                                               
Association  and  the  Western  Fire  Chiefs  Association.    Mr.                                                               
Schrage  expressed  his  support  of  HB  366  and  the  previous                                                               
testimony, adding that one of  the primary problems that the bill                                                               
addresses  arose  following   Hurricane  Katrina  when  emergency                                                               
managers  were  shopping  for  less  costly,  but  more  distant,                                                               
resources.  In addition, he  noted that the successful agreements                                                               
that already exist between firefighting  agencies are a model for                                                               
this legislation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:55:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMPSON,  after  determining  no one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:56:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE AUSTERMAN moved to report  HB 366 out of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  HB 366 was reported out of the                                                               
House Special Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:56:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 1:56 p.m. to 1:59 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:59:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
         SJR 14-MILITARY PERSONNEL CUTS & BASE CLOSURES                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:59:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMPSON announced  that  the final  order of  business                                                               
would be  CS FOR SENATE  JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 14(STA)  Urging the                                                               
United  States Department  of Defense  to protect  military bases                                                               
and  military  personnel  in  the   state  for  the  defense  and                                                               
protection of the state and the nation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:59:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  BILL WIELECHOWSKI,  Alaska  State Legislature,  sponsor,                                                               
introduced  CSSJR  14,  saying  the  resolution  urges  the  U.S.                                                               
Department  of  Defense  (DOD)  to  protect  military  bases  and                                                               
military personnel  in Alaska for  the defense and  protection of                                                               
the  state and  the  nation.   He  stressed  the  purpose of  the                                                               
resolution is  not necessarily to  protect Alaska's  economy, but                                                               
is for the security of  the nation.  Senator Wielechowski further                                                               
explained  the resolution  is in  response to  two possible  base                                                               
realignment and  closure rounds expected  in the next  few years.                                                               
Base  closures  are  authorized by  Congress  through  a  process                                                               
called Base  Realignment and  Closure (BRAC),  defined by  DOD as                                                               
the  congressionally authorized  process to  reorganize its  base                                                               
structure  around   the  world  to  more   efficiently  and  more                                                               
effectively   support  our   forces   and  increase   operational                                                               
readiness  and  facilitate new  ways  of  doing  business.     He                                                               
pointed out that  the first step during the BRAC  process in 2005                                                               
was  a   threat  assessment  of  the   future  national  security                                                               
environment,  followed by  the development  of a  force structure                                                               
plan to meet  those threats, and then  implementation of mandated                                                               
selection criterion.   In 2005,  it was suggested  to consolidate                                                               
Elmendorf Air  Force Base and  Fort Richardson Army Base,  and to                                                               
close Eielson  Air Force Base  (Eielson AFB).   The consolidation                                                               
created  Joint  Base  Elmendorf-Richardson, but  the  closure  of                                                               
Eielson  AFB was  prevented by  intervention from  the community.                                                               
However, Eielson AFB  may still be the base  most threatened with                                                               
closure.    Senator  Wielechowski   noted  there  is  a  separate                                                               
resolution opposing  the transfer of the  F-16 Aggressor Squadron                                                               
from  Eielson AFB  to Elmendorf  Air  Force Base.   Returning  to                                                               
CSSJR  14, he  advised the  message that  needs to  be heard  is:                                                               
Alaska is  sitting at  the top  of the world  and is  within nine                                                               
hours of 95  percent of the industrial world; has  the best joint                                                               
training spaces available  within the U.S. armed  forces; has the                                                               
largest overland  instrumented training  range in the  world; and                                                               
has the  shortest deployment route  to eastern and  central Asia.                                                               
Furthermore, Eielson  AFB supports  the North  American Aerospace                                                               
Command  (NORAD)   and  ground-based  missile   defense  systems;                                                               
protects sovereign  air space; secures the  Trans-Alaska Pipeline                                                               
System (TAPS);  serves as an  air bridge to the  Pacific theatre;                                                               
is  critical in  defense of  the Pacific;  has few  environmental                                                               
constraints;  has  a  self-contained  fuel  supply;  has  seismic                                                               
detectors; has huge  storage capacity; has long  runways; and has                                                               
self-contained  water  and  power  supplies  on  base.    Senator                                                               
Wielechowski  concluded  that  the resolution  makes  clear  that                                                               
Alaska is very important to the security of the U.S.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:05:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMPSON  observed  the  resolution  does  not  specify                                                               
either base, but addresses all of the bases and personnel.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   AUSTERMAN   expressed   his   support   of   the                                                               
resolution.   He noted there is  no reference to the  U. S. Coast                                                               
Guard although it is the first line of defense.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI acknowledged the  critical importance of the                                                               
Coast Guard to national security, and  pointed out that it is not                                                               
considered in BRAC rounds.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  opined the  security of Alaska  is special                                                               
and  unusual because  of its  large  land area  and the  enormous                                                               
quantity of  its resources.   Also, Alaska has neighbors  who may                                                               
covet its resources.  She  related that DHS&EM has been surveying                                                               
rural and coastal communities looking  for "weak points," so they                                                               
can give warning.   The bases also serve in this  way.  She urged                                                               
that  any analysis  of the  security of  the nation  should begin                                                               
with Alaska.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:09:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  advised  that the  federal  government  is                                                               
reevaluating  where threats  lie,  and they  lie  in the  Pacific                                                               
theatre near Alaska; in fact, Alaska  is within nine air hours of                                                               
95 percent  of the industrial  world.   There are two  air routes                                                               
from North America  to eastern and central Asia  - through Hawaii                                                               
and Guam  or through  Alaska -  and the  route through  Alaska is                                                               
1,800 miles  shorter.  He concluded  that the nation needs  to be                                                               
prepared to defend the country and the state.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA  recalled  that  Alaska  has  the  largest                                                               
percentage per capita  of veterans.  She said it  is important to                                                               
remember that human resources are  critical to the defense of the                                                               
state and to prepare for possibilities.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SADDLER  expressed his  support of  the resolution                                                               
and  said  it defends  the  value  of  Alaska's military  to  the                                                               
nation.   He reviewed  some of the  statements in  the resolution                                                               
and  opined it  would be  a big  mistake to  reduce the  military                                                               
presence in Alaska.   Representative Saddler said  he was looking                                                               
forward to discussing these points  with the Pentagon delegation.                                                               
As a cross  sponsor, he noted the importance of  the principle to                                                               
defend all bases  and all missions in the state,  due to Alaska's                                                               
strategic position.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:13:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMPSON,   hearing  no  further  questions   from  the                                                               
committee, opened public testimony.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:13:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MCHUGH    PIERRE,   Deputy    Commissioner,    Office   of    the                                                               
Commissioner/Adjutant General,  DMVA, stated that  the resolution                                                               
is  consistent with  the message  of DMVA,  which is  that Alaska                                                               
holds strategic  value to the focus  of the military that  is now                                                               
on the Asia/Pacific area, as announced by the President.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  asked how the resolution  could affect and                                                               
help veterans living in the state.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PIERRE said  the resolution  clearly supports  the logistics                                                               
needed  to defend  Alaska.    He referred  to  the Joint  Pacific                                                               
Alaska  Range  Complex  (JPARC),  and noted  that  smaller  bases                                                               
around the state are needed to support larger training bases.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:16:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LUKE HOPKINS, Mayor,  FNSB, gave a short history  of Eielson AFB.                                                               
Mr.  Hopkins expressed  his  hope that  the  resolution would  be                                                               
passed  out of  committee, as  he  has been  informed that  other                                                               
states are sending messages to  Congress and DOD supporting their                                                               
positions;  however, Alaska  is  in a  great  position for  rapid                                                               
deployment and  JPARC training, and  also has  superior strategic                                                               
importance.    He  cautioned  that the  relocation  of  the  F-16                                                               
Aggressor  Squadron from  Eielson AFB  is based  on savings  from                                                               
questionable  information.    Mr.   Hopkins  concluded  that  the                                                               
resolution  imparts an  urgent message  to the  flight assessment                                                               
team.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMPSON supported funds  being placed in the governor's                                                               
supplemental budget to  hire a consultant firm to  help the state                                                               
research the actual savings.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER asked  if  FNSB engaged  the services  of                                                               
lobbyists or advisors in this issue.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  HOPKINS  said yes.    The  borough assembly  has  authorized                                                               
$120,000 to  hire a  consulting firm in  Washington D.C.  - which                                                               
has experience  with the 2005  analysis used  by the Air  Force -                                                               
and  a   local  economist   to  advise   on  housing   and  local                                                               
information.    These  analyses  will  be  provided  to  Alaska's                                                               
congressional delegation.  In  further response to Representative                                                               
Saddler,  he  said  the  consultants  are  Information  Insights,                                                               
Northern Economics, and Public Private Solutions Group.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:22:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  THOMPSON,  after  determining  no one  else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:22:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SADDLER  moved to  report  CSSJR  14(STA) out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.   There  being  no  objection, CSSJR  14(STA)  was                                                               
reported  from  the  House  Special  Committee  on  Military  and                                                               
Veterans' Affairs.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:22:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Special Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs meeting was                                                                 
adjourned at 2:22 p.m.                                                                                                          

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB366 Version A.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB366 Sponsor Statement.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB366 Letter of Support- Food Bank.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB366 Support Letters.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
CS SJR 14 (STA)B.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
SJR 14
SJR 14 STA Fiscal Note.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
SJR 14
SJR14.Articles.Military Base Cut Proposal.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
SJR 14
SJR14 Sponsor Statement.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
SJR 14
HB 366 6 AAC 94 Disaster Assistance Programs.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB 366 AS 26 23 Disasters.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB 366 EMAC Document.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB 366 EMAC Presentation FEMA 060802emac.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB 366 Letter Alaska Municipal League SB 208.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
SB 208
HB 366 FEMA Disaster Assistance Policy DAP9523.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB 366 Letter AARP SB 208.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
SB 208
HB 366 Letter Alaska State Fair.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB 366 Model Intrastate Mutual Aid Legislation.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB 366 NIMS Core pp 9-12 Preparedness.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB 366 Support Letter AARP.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB366-FISCAL NOTE- DMVA-MVA-HSEM-3-25-12.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB366- Support Letter- Fairbanks North Star School District.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366
HB366 Sectional Analysis.pdf HMLV 3/27/2012 1:00:00 PM
HB 366